We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

This idiot who is tormenting us is not dissimilar to shock jocks and tabloid media outlets! Nonetheless after ten years of death and destruction their Israel centric face is exposed and they will be defeated.

--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "bruce" wrote:

Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

the islamo fas-filth in Afghanistan are on the back foot and it is becoming harder for the young men of Australia to send them to paradise as most of them are already there!! Raping youths!

Cheers Bruce

--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "Biplobi Faruque"
wrote:

Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

Good thinkers of Australia and around the world are trying to rethink the dreadful quagmires of Afghanistan and looking for some way out from this mess!

In this serious debate vulgarity, prejudice and bigotry of a deranged person is lowering the quality and ought to be rejected.


--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "rabbiforpalestine" wrote:

Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

You love golden showers and child rape!! You are a very sick man!! Like the child rapist father of yours!!


The rape of your sister is well-known to us knucklehead!!!

--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "bruce" wrote:

Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

You have a fixation on golden showers and child rape!! You are a very sick man!! Like the child rapist mohammad!!

Cheers Bruce

The rape of Aisha is an historical fact knucklehead!!!

Cheers again Bruce

--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "Rahat" wrote:

Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

You have a fixation on golden showers and child rape!! You are a very sick man!! Like the child rapist father of yours!!

--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "bruce" wrote:

Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

You have a fixation on golden showers and child rape!! You are a very sick man!! Like the child rapist mohammad!!

Cheers Bruce


--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "Biplobi Faruque"
wrote:
Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

Dingbat,

Are you a psychologist like Mental Regan? Remember, that third grade actor used call his opponents mental and sick like you! Anyway, I THOUGHT YOU LOT LIKE GOLDEN SHOWRS!

--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "bruce" wrote:

Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

You have a fixation on golden showers and child rape!! You are a very sick man!!

Cheers Bruce

--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "Biplobi Faruque" wrote:

Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

Is it because he gave you a golden shower?

--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "bruce" wrote:

Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

You are an ignorant fool!!

Cheers Bruce

--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "mujahidsolanorgv" wrote:

Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

Yes, its won now go home. And if you can take Those that belong in Poland, Germany, USA etc With you. God bless Helen Thomas for being So factual. Like Galileo she did not want to Face the Inquisition at the old age of 89 but That did not make what she said less true than What Galileo said "the earth goes around the sun"

--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "mujahidsolanorgv" mujahidsolano@... wrote:

Re: Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

Australian? I thought you were British? And don't say "funny you should ask" From: bruce Date: 6/13/2010 11:34:32 PM To: freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com Subject: [freeamericanow] Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US The war against the theocrats and islamo-fascist scum is won!! The Afghanis are taking more and more control of their own security and the taliban and el quaida leadership has been decimated!! As a loyal Australian you must be pleased with that knucklehead!! cheers Bruce

--- In freeamericanow@yahoogroups.com, "mujahidsolanorgv" wrote:

Re: We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

Now you know how the Soviets felt.

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Re: [freeamericanow] We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

From: Biplobi Faruque

Date: 6/12/2010

We stay in this 'unwinnable' war only because of our alliance with the US

June 13, 2010

WITH the deaths of two young soldiers last week, Australia has now lost more than a dozen troops in Afghanistan, all but one since 2007. Contrast this with Iraq, where we had no deaths in combat. Yet our Afghan commitment remains remarkably uncontroversial.

The Dutch have lost two dozen people and this year their government fell over the issue of their continued involvement. Soon they will pull out. But in the coming federal election, whether Australia should be there won't be an issue – despite the latest polling showing a majority of Australians are against involvement.

Kevin Rudd has always been committed to a presence; Tony Abbott would like to put in more troops. Ideally, he would have Australians take the lead role in Oruzgan province when the Dutch leave. But an enlarged commitment is not something he's likely to be pushing in the campaign.

When he is doing so well on domestic issues why would he provoke that debate? Australians tolerate rather than want our involvement and would not look kindly on an increase.

This is something Rudd recognises. When Barack Obama's presidency was new Rudd gave him an increase in our contingent. The US would like more help but the government has made it clear a further request would be unwelcome.

Unlike the war in Iraq, Afghanistan has been seen as a "good" war, in moral terms. Launched in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the US, it was striking at the heart of the terrorists' training grounds. While there was debate over whether "regime change" in Iraq would create stability or instability in the area, no one argued against the overthrow of the Taliban.

The year after the invasion of Afghanistan, a friend and I visited the country for a couple of weeks. I'd seen the film Kandahar; it seemed a must-go place. Mostly we were in Kabul but we drove to Kandahar. It was an amazing trip, taking 14 to 15 hours each way along a terrible road, with the odd prayer stop for translator and driver. The latter, who'd been involved in various conflicts over the years, became noticeably nervous the further south we went.

Already there were bad signs for the future: aid agencies were talking about a worsening security situation. But mostly there was hope. The locals knew it was early days but people wanted the page to be turned – this conflict-ridden country to finally find internal peace and progress.

We visited Bagram, the military base near Kabul. Almost all the Australian troops were out in the field, but we talked to their commander, who said the "good old Aussie characteristic" had meant the soldiers related well to the villagers. At that stage only one Australian soldier, Andrew Russell, had been killed. His vehicle hit a landmine.

As so often before, a lot of the hope has been drained from Afghanistan in the years since 2002. The Karzai government has failed its people. Drugs and corruption have dominated the economy. The Taliban have proved tough and resilient, and reasserted themselves. The operation in Afghanistan is more one of containment: denial of a safe haven for terrorism, rather than the optimistic nation-building that appeared a possibility immediately after the 2001 invasion. This has become, in the eyes of many experts, an unwinnable war.

Last week Defence Minister John Faulkner said Australian troops were likely to be there for three to five years but former US defence official Daniel Ellsberg, the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers in 1971, said this was a "totally foolish" estimate. Australians could figure on anything between 10 and 30 years if they continued to support the US strategy, suggested Ellsberg, who is also sceptical about Obama's intention to remove troops.

Australia will stay in Afghanistan as long as the Americans want us to, which means as long as the US is there. It is one of those commitments to the alliance. We do it even though the prospects of "victory" are probably bleak.

For Australia to re-evaluate its participation would be enormously costly in alliance terms. That is one reason why Australian governments – this one and its predecessor – have done their best to minimise the danger into which Australian troops are placed (sometimes incurring criticism Australia isn't doing enough of the heavy work). A large number of casualties would erode public support for the commitment